Saved Always Saved: The (Baptist) denomination
who largely believes this doctrine was
responsible for me coming to know the Lord,
therefore, it is with great sorrow that I must
speak out against this "doctrine of
"Once Saved Always
Saved" is not scriptural, that does not mean
that the denomination is all wrong. They have
done a tremendous job of teaching the world about
Their belief is based on the
theory that once you are the "saved"
son or daughter of God, you cannot be disowned.
No more than your mortal sons or daughters can
ever become non-related to you, their earthly
father. Don't compare things of God with our
flawed human characteristics. However, if you do
choose to compare sinful, flawed man with God,
then let me assure you that Father God never
disowns those of us who are truly HIS but we
Let me make one point upon
which this entire page is predicated: Only a very
small percentage of the people who think they are
"saved," or "born again"
really are anointed by the Holy Spirit or
"born of God." I can't say for sure but
that fewer than 1 in a hundred, who profess to be
"saved," are truly "born of
God." It may be that the
truly "Born of God" are secure and
incapable of losing their status.
However, that percentage is very small. In other
words, I can agree with OSAS for "those
few." However, those few will live a life
that will stand the test. I mean TRULY live the
doctrine of Jesus. Because they are truly
"born of God" and cannot live outside
the teachings of Jesus. These few are led in
every situation and will not cheat or have any
desire to commit sin of any kind. They are truly
"New Creatures," in Christ.
To make my point: I may
personally (only) know two or three people, at
most, that are of that "few" out of
many hundreds of people.These "few" do
not need to be promised OSAS. These
"few" live the doctrine,
They know God and they live like it... they think
like it, their hearts show it. In contrast; the
preachers, who make the OSAS promise, direct the
message to the majority of the people who were
never truly "saved" to entice them to
join "their club" and pay their tithe.
They are convinced they can simply choose to
receive Jesus and walk down the aisle, utter a
simple "Sinner's Prayer" and SHAZAM!
They are saved!! These misled people are the
people this page is for. For the vast majority
who are looking for a "loophole." The
walk and the prayer is a good start but it is
usually a starting place. For me it took many
walks and many prayers and a long time of praying
and knocking. Then it came as a gift and there
was no mistake about it! I was changed in an
instant. But it took years. Maybe it will be much
faster for you. Maybe it will happen the first
time you pray, confess and ask. Please be sure
you understand this before continuing.
That path is very narrow and
only those who are truly filled with the Holy
Spirit will live this life. This life may deny
material wealth of any kind but a life of
sacrifice and giving that few can live. "If
you have two coats, give one away."
(paraphrased as usual) That person will not
worship the "Prosperity Jesus" of this
world, we worship the true Jesus.
Let me make it very clear
that I believe most preachers who teach this
truly believe this doctrine themselves. Most do
not intentionally mislead people. Some may doubt
it but must teach it or be fired. A few may
intentionally mislead the sheep.
This truth offends many
people. I'm sorry but my intentions are not to
tickle your ears.
Preachers who preach the
wide path to heaven by way of OSAS have to keep
you filled with false hope or their congregation
would dwindle. Can you imagine how many misled
people there are? People who have been promised
that they have a license to sin as long as they
have been "saved?" In the first place
we are not "saved" until we are in the
arms of Father God. That term is misused and at
best we can only be in the "process."
Can you imagine how many people would leave their
church if the truth were told them? For example,
Jesus had not achieved perfection until HE was
resurrected and ascended to HIS Father. Until
that time HE was INNOCENT. It was after HE
ascended that HE told HIS disciples that HE had
been granted all authority. Study this and come
to understand this.
If the bible is truth (and I
believe it is) then hell will be split wide open
by the preachers, pastors and evangelists who
mislead these people. Standing room only and a
long line awaiting hell for all those who buy
into the false promise.
Back to business...
I don't always like to
compare the imperfect human with our perfect,
Father in heaven, but we will make the comparison
in this case.
As a matter of fact, I feel
a little bit silly typing the next few paragraphs
but because the believers of this doctrine use
human behavior in their argument, I will
"play that game" according to their
methods... bear with me for a few paragraphs.
Example: I can tell you as a
father that I never abandoned my children when
they did "wrong." I did correct them
and spank them as youngsters. Just as Father God
"spanks us" when we commit a foul. As a
father, I did not give in to their wrong thoughts
or their wrongful conduct...... but they may
abandon, or separate, from me because I corrected
them. You see; it matters not who broke the
connection... the connection is broken. If I
disinherit them it is not because I quit them.
They may have quit me. Just as the Hebrews did
when they chose other Gods... What did Father God
do? He gave the Kingdom to the Gentile, or any
person who asks HIM for the Kingdom and becomes
HIS child... and... IF
that person lives according to HIS rules (laws).
AND... IF THEIR NAME IS WRITTEN IN THE LAMB'S
BOOK OF LIFE.
For comparison, let's
continue to compare human conduct with the
Spiritual; If a father tells his children that
there will be no murder, no adultery or any of
the other rules he established,, then that is the
rule of his household. If you abandon his wishes
then you must leave his household... otherwise
you will corrupt the other kids in the household
and the entire household will fall into
corruption. Can you imagine a house that is full
of sex-sin, murder, envy, dishonor existing in
HIS eternal Kingdom? It won't happen. Suck it up!
Keep the rules or get out. We call it "tough
Imagine a bunch of kids who
believe they can fool around and bend dad's rules
anytime and all they have to do is remind
"dad" that they made a promise at one
time and they will not be held to good conduct
after that promise. PHEW!
I do believe that the good
and true kids will want to
keep the rules. Don't you? In other words HIS
true kids have a Spirit that lives in them that
makes them keep the rules. No stealing! No
cheating! No deceit! No lies! Now that's a good
way to spend eternity... with truly good kids.
Not kids that will bend the rules and cheat a
little. However, even a good and true kid will
make a mistake but not willingly and
continuously. If they do they may be asked to
"get out." If the father lets them
continue in this fashion it will ruin the entire
household and there will be no good conduct and
there will be a lot of hurt. The repeated bending
and breaking of the rules will simply destroy the
whole household and soon the entire town. Soon
wrongful, rotten lifestyle is the
"norm." Soon you would not be able to
tell the difference between a good family and a
rotten family. The results are the same for both
households. Failure, jail time, sex-sin, out of
wedlock pregnancy, fighting, unhappiness, etc.
OKAY... enough comparison to
humans... back to business.
The conversation between the
Serpent in the Garden and Eve comes to mind when
I think about this teaching. Genesis 3:2
And the woman said to the serpent, We may
eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3
but of the fruit of the tree which is in the
midst of the garden, God has said, You
shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest
you die. 4
Then the serpent said to the woman, You
will not surely die.
That first recorded lie in
the bible tells Eve that she may sin against God
and she will not suffer any consequences. Eve
believed it then and some people believe the same
lie today. Sin is sin. They coat it with analogy
that seems to justify it but it is still wrong
and dangerous. Be careful.
Let me publish this, one
thought at a time. Take your time and understand
Jesus died for us. Jesus
paid man's "sin debt." That is true.
The "sin debt" was
for the sin we were born under... The fall in the
garden... Whatever it was... HE paid that debt in
That sin we are born under -
- - that debt is paid in full but you do not have
a license to continue to sin. If you continue in
sin and your heart becomes unrepentant, you are
running up the debt. Hebrews
10:26 Dear friends, if we
deliberately continue sinning after we have
received knowledge of the truth, there is no
longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins.
If you willingly continue in
sin and you do not repent or have not repented
from a sinful lifestyle, you are in sin.
You may be forgiven of these
sins by asking forgiveness as
long as it is in your heart to truly repent.
However, it is foolish to feel that God is
obligated to forgive sin. A reckless sinner is on
thin ice and eternity is a long time. I know of
some pretty foul sinners who live according to
the OSAS doctrine and I would not want my
children to run with them for one night... I
would not believe that God wants HIS children to
endure eternity with them. I am not being cruel
when I call them "foul" because I have
done business with those who used this
"loophole" and it was "foul."
I want no business dealings with them! "Been
there, done that"
"Repent" means to
quit! Stop! If you willingly continue to repeat
the same sins, your heart will grow cold and you
will eventually lose that "repenting"
willingness to live clean and free of sin.
I have seen it happen,
you've seen it too... We commit a sin and it
becomes easier to commit the same sin again and
again until finally we don't even recognize it as
Our hearts grow cold and it
does not hurt our conscience to repeat the sin.
The more you repeat the sin
the easier it becomes to repeat the sin.
Soon we are just going
through the motions of asking forgiveness. It
becomes "lip service." Then you are
hell bound... unless the bible is a lie.
Those who believe this
doctrine believe that Jesus paid for all your future
sins. They believe that you cannot fall from
grace, regardless of how willfully you allow
yourself to sin. In other words, they say, you
can live like a devil yet live with God, just as
long as you made a promise at some point, when
you said you accepted Jesus as your Lord and
Savior. Some refer to this act as the
"Sinners Prayer." They call this
"magical" act as being saved. Think
about it, they say you can live like the devil
but live with God. NOT SO! Each and every day you
must choose whom you will serve.
If you are truly
"begotten" you will choose to serve
Jesus and HIS Father, God. You're now in the
Spiritual womb and on your way to the Kingdom.
Hang in there! You might fall short at times but
that's just a temporary thing because you will
ask forgiveness, repent and continue in your
walk, growing, becoming more like Christ.
The only way I can believe:
As long as we are in this flesh, we may be in the
process of being saved, however, we are not truly
saved until we are in the arms of Jesus in our
"born again," resurrected bodies. There
is no scripture that promises you what their
doctrine promises you. They must twist and spin
the scriptures to make the scriptures say what
they promise you. Do not trust your eternity to
the twisting of God's word.
Let me say more; The term
"saved" is not used in scripture, in
the way these folks use it ... that is...
"Saved" in the sense that you are saved
from ever falling from grace or falling away from
"Kingdom-bound" status. My intention is
to correct the teaching of a false sense of
security... that, "once you perform a ritual
or prayer you are guaranteed kingdom-bound
status." I suppose many people are afraid
they cannot live the doctrine of Jesus, according
to the methods Jesus and His Father prescribe as
the 'way' to the Kingdom, so they convince
themselves that as long as they believe the false
doctrine, God will not hold them accountable. It
just doesn't work that way! God's laws of physics
must be followed. If God's laws of physics are
not followed, the caterpillar couldn't make the
transformation into a butterfly!
For more on understanding
the definition of 'saved' or 'born-again' www.john33.com/mislead.htm
When you come to know
Christ, you will want
to live His doctrine... when you do commit a
foul, forgiveness is divine and it is there for
the asking... if you sincerely ask forgiveness
and repent of the transgression.
Time Out.... Let's Examine
What My Friend Offers...
My friend wrote the
following: "I also do
not see where the scriptures teach getting saved
over and over."
I don't either, because we
were never "saved" in the literal sense
in which it is used. It is a misused and
misconstrued term to begin with so don't look for
any confirmation one way or the other. I wonder
why there is so much misdirection where the terms
SAVED and BORN AGAIN are used? Do you think Satan
may have something to do with the deception or
confusion? I do.
Time out for a brief
thought: This topic is considered a
"doctrine," a man-made doctrine.
Let me continue...
For instruction purposes I
will use the term "saved," "born
again" and "begotten" alternately.
When you are
"begotten" you are endowed with the
Holy Spirit... changed in heart and mind, through
the Holy Spirit. You can actually feel the
difference in your attitude towards God and
people. You become a more caring, kinder, loving
person. You are a new creature! You have a new
spiritual nature. The spirit of God is in you.
If you have not experienced
this different attitude concerning your nature,
remain deep in prayer and continue dedicated
study of the gospel - keep asking for that
'begotten' (saved) experience.
However, because you are
'begotten' of God does not mean you are incapable
of falling from grace or not
reaching full term of the 'begotten' experience
which is the Godly walk into the Kingdom.
Consider the moment of
becoming 'begotten' with the moment of conception
. Even though you have been conceived, you can be
aborted at anytime before being born. Think about
this for a time, then continue, be sure you
Let's say you were
'begotten' at age 20. From this point on you are
developing as a Christian. At any stage during
your period of development you may die. If you
were practicing and living
the doctrine of Christ at the time of death, you
will be born again of the spirit allowing you to
enter the Kingdom. At least that is the way I
interpret the scripture and am led to understand,
according to the scriptures
and my understanding. Of
course, it goes without saying that your heart
must be true! HE looks on the heart and if you
were truly trying, I believe we are OK. We are
human and we may fail, but we take it seriously.
I have seen the opposite. In many cases I have
seen people shrug it off and take the easy path
because they rationalize that they were saved and
"grace" will cover for their sin.
Regretfully, I have seen this many times. Bending
"Daddy's" rules. Folks - - that won't
get the job done! You have to try hard!
who are victorious will be clothed in white. I
will never erase their names from the Book of
Life, but I will
announce before my Father and his angels that
they are mine.
If you read the scripture
above, Rev 3:5, it is pretty clear that your name
can be erased from the Book of Life. This one
scripture alone should be proof enough to put
your mind at rest... to know that to be
"once saved," is not a promise to be
always saved. You can fall from grace, your name
can be erased. Even though it was there, written
in the Lamb's Book of Life, it can be taken out.
I don't like to point to one
verse to make a point. I like to ask a sincere
seeker to read an entire account. A very good one
is the book of James. James was Jesus' earthly
brother. They had the same mother, Mary. Careful
reading of the scriptures will prove my point.
One more scripture... New
Living Translation: Ephesians,
Chapter 2, vs.8 God
saved you by his grace when you believed. And you
cant take credit for this; it is a gift
9 Salvation is not a reward for the good things we
have done, so none
of us can boast about it. 10 For we are
Gods masterpiece. He has created us anew in
Christ Jesus, so we
can do the good things he planned for us long ago.
In other words, a walk down
the aisle and repeating the Sinners Prayer is an
act or ritual that you perform. The scripture
above tells you we are saved by HIS grace and not
something you can take credit for, (such as the
walk down the aisle and the prayer). If the
"walk down the aisle" and the prayer
would save you, then you could take credit for
it... and you can read the scripture above that
it is not an act you can take credit for.
Think about this... We are
saved by HIS grace, not as a reward for good
things we have done. However, we are saved so we
can DO THE GOOD THINGS
HE PLANNED FOR US. Study this until you
understand what Paul is telling us. We have to
perform! Not just be "saved" and sit
To be saved and to not
"DO" falls short.
I have known people who were
liars, thieves and purely rotten yet they were
convinced that since they had been
"saved" they were going to make the
Kingdom. I knew of one such person who would pray
over the list of prospects that were potential
buyers of his company's products. Even though he
and his sales department lied and were horrible
examples of Christians. It stunk! PHEW ~ ~ ~
Remember what Jesus warned... "You will know
them by the fruit they bear." "A good
tree cannot bear bad fruit......." I think
that says it all.. if you are truly HIS, you will
bear good fruit. If you bear bad fruit, you are a
"bad tree" and Jesus tells us that
person is bad. Therefore, a simple ritual of
saying the Sinner's Prayer and continuing in a
sinful lifestyle does not make you a Christian.
You gotta walk the walk! If you fail.. and you
will.. you will confess and repent.. not keep on
in your same old sins. Repentance means STOP!
However if you stop sinning for fear of
punishment and not because you love Christ and
want to serve HIM, you may need to stay deep in
prayer until you are truly changed.
I have known many people who
bought into this, "once saved always
saved" doctrine. They were promised that all
you have to do is utter the "sinner's
prayer" and from that time on they were
saved... they believed they were guaranteed
admittance into the Kingdom of God upon death...
I urge you to reconsider... You have to
"walk the walk." You have to live the
doctrine. It MUST be in your heart and spiritual
mind to completely give your being to the service
of God. If it is in your heart and mind and it is
sincere, it is done! Just as Abraham was totally
committed to sacrificing Isaac. It was not
required but the commitment was genuine!
Lip service and a few spoken
words won't get you there. The prayer is the
BEGINNING of your gestation period. On the bright
side... if you are truly "begotten" you
will be miserable if you don't live the doctrine
of Christ. This is not my opinion - this is based
upon the written word of God! If you die the
physical death and you have become that new
creature, in Christ, you are Kingdom bound. It is
a heart-felt thing! Not a physical act alone...
your heart must be in it. It's okay to say the
"sinner's prayer" and ask God to
receive you and send HIS Holy Spirit to fill you
but that is the first act on the road to the
Kingdom. What if you were to die, ten seconds,
no, one second after asking God to receive you? I
believe you made it! HE said if you call upon HIS
name... I assume you really meant it in your
heart? If you did, I believe you are Kingdom
bound! If you didn't mean it and you were just
doing lip service? Well what do you think? Would
you want to be married to a woman who just
"said" the wedding vows and didn't mean
a word of it? I wouldn't... Nor does God extend
access to HIS Kingdom to the insincere person who
gives "lip service." You simply did not
achieve that "New Creature" status.
I try to help clear up
obvious flaws in false doctrine and I am not the
judge. All of these things I write are assuming
you are a sincere, seeker of salvation and not
just trying to cover all bases
Even though you are
'begotten' you will still sin. That's what
forgiveness is all about. If you are sincere and
you ask God to forgive you for your sins, He
will! Now you must do your part and
"REPENT." That means stop! Now you are
a repenting, confessing Christian, forgiven by
Because of Jesus' sacrifice,
there are millions of sons and daughters who are
"begotten" ... Jesus said there would
be those who will do greater things (here on
earth) than He did. Now that's quite a large
statement! I can't imagine that but it is
Now, do as Jesus did and
live the Christ-like life, so you can be
"born again of the spirit" JOHN 3:3
"You must be born again of the spirit to
enter the Kingdom of Heaven." By the way -
To be "born again" is upon your
resurrection. Few people understand this. www.john33.com/bornagain.htm
P.S. before you close the
page, be sure to consider Hebrews, 10:26... You
may see how serious this false doctrine is.
For if we sin
willfully after we have received the knowledge of
the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice
for sins, 27
but a certain
fearful expectation of judgment,
and fiery indignation which will devour the
Anyone who has rejected Moses law dies
without mercy on the testimony of two or three
Of how much worse
punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought
worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot,
counted the blood of the covenant by which he was
sanctified a common thing, and insulted the
Spirit of grace?
See what Jesus' half-brother
said about the deceptionwww.john33.com/jude