23:43 tells us that HE said to the thief on the
cross next to HIM that the thief would be in
paradise with HIM that day. I know the argument
that points out that the placement of the comma
determines what the truth is... Whether Jesus is
saying to him, THIS DAY I AM SAYING IT or I AM
SAYING YOU WILL BE WITH ME IN PARADISE THIS DAY.
A man placed those commas. In other words, a man,
determined the way that promise made by Jesus is
received. Whether it was intentional or not it is
less clear what Jesus meant. The scripture was
altered by the placement of a comma.
"Jesus said unto him,
Verily I say unto thee, today shalt thou be with
me in paradise."
There are those who say the
bible has not been altered. The better point to
make is that scriptures were eliminated when
compiling the original canon, which became the
bible. Roman Emperor, Constantine, and his
assembly of 318 bishops met in 325 AD and
determined which scriptures would be allowed.
Over the years, the text which we now know as the
bible was further tampered with. In the 15th
century, a man was responsible for the breaking
up of the text by way of numbering verses and
stopping and starting the flow of information
with the ending and beginning of chapters, add to
the breaking up of the intended thought with the
fact that the scribes, who translated the
scriptures, (probably) had their own biased
opinions including the group of men who oversaw
the scribes and PRESTO! You have an altered or
biased lesson. Then the seminaries who train our
preachers and teachers have their own biased
opinions of the way the scriptures should be
interpreted and taught and "man" has
further altered the intended lessons, from God's
messengers that were to be taught. All done by
"MAN." We have a book, altered by man,
which the preachers hold high in one hand and
scream that "this is the pure truth and word
of God." The very ones who scream this the
loudest are the most guilty of preaching lies and
man-made doctrine. I watch them almost daily.
This is why Jesus sent the
Holy Spirit. HE told us that the "One HE
would send would lead us into all truth."
That "ONE" was the Holy Spirit of God,
sent by Jesus. Jesus also referred to the Holy
Spirit as the "Comforter." Jesus warned
us that there would be false teachers and wolves
dressed as sheep that will take you to hell. HE
Take hope! You can and will
know the truth when you receive the Holy Spirit.
If you do not host the Holy Spirit from God, you
lack discernment and can fall for anything. Most
people I know who think they are true Christians
do not truly have the Holy Spirit nor do they
have discernment. They cannot understand much
anything. They fall for the trash the TV
Preachers teach, all of it. TV Preachers usually
preach about 90% truth and slip in 5 to 10
percent lies. Lies such as "Once Saved
Always Saved," "The Pre-Trib
Rapture" or "Tongues." Those three
are the main lies, there are more. Don't fall for
any of their lies or your chances increase that
you will see hell. I said the scriptures have
been altered or biased, I did not say to ignore
them. I believe the bible but I say you must have
the Holy Spirit to truly understand the message,
especially after the way Constantine censored and
hand picked the scriptures they wanted in the
text. Be especially cautious if you use one of
the newer translations. Use the KJV along side.
Yes, some of the scriptures,
books and messages from the scriptures have been
altered. And yes, it is continuing to be changed
through the later translations. Each and every
translation by "man" alters the meaning
a little more. Differences in culture, time and
language makes it virtually impossible to end up
with the exact same meaning that was written down
in a different language, several thousand years
ago by a person who understands a completely
It was true even with the
King James Version which was translated after the
Geneva Bible. The King James Version was
considered by many, if not most of that day that
it was a "political document." King
James hired 50 scribes to translate and compile
the KJV which was more favorable to the King
without the footnotes that were in the Geneva
Bible which did not compliment or favor the king.
Since then, each translation
has gradually changed the meaning of the bible
even more. I was led to publish a page on that; www.john33.com/bible.
The purpose of this page is
to discuss when we will be resurrected and ascend
into heaven. Will it be at the moment of death or
will it be when the Lord, Jesus returns and the
trumpet sounds. Both can be proven, it depends on
which scriptures you use to make the argument.
The best advice I can give
to any person is; not to worry about it, it makes
no difference to the Christian if you sleep a
while and the Lord returns and resurrects your
Spirit and gives you the new heavenly body or if
it happens at the moment of death. This debate
would not be so widely argued if the scriptures
had not been tampered with and the lessons from
Paul were not used. I go with what Jesus said or
what HIS appointed, hand picked disciples say.
Paul's writings bring about confusion on most
every topic. I am not a follower of Paul as an
authority upon whom we should trust our eternity.
Paul was not hand picked by Jesus, Paul did not
know Jesus, Paul was a Roman, Paul was a
Pharisee, Paul killed Christians and more
importantly; Paul was wrong about too many things
to lead me to trust him. The Lord showed me that
if you cannot accept and believe EVERY THING that
a person teaches, then he was not appointed by
Jesus. According to Paul, women should keep their
mouths shut in matters of the church and speak
about them only with her husband. Paul taught
that Jesus was returning in his lifetime. Paul
taught that the only sign needed to be assured
that a person had received the Holy Spirit was to
utter a strange sound when Jesus clearly taught
that the recipient would receive FIVE gifts, not
one. (See Mark 16). Those signs seem to be unique
to the early generation of newly converted
Christians. I know of few or any people at all
who have or have ever had all five gifts
mentioned in Mark 16. Read them!
There are many things that
Paul taught that resulted in confusion and
division and still do today. Most different
church doctrines that come to mind are based on
Paul's teachings and not those of Jesus, Peter,
James or Jude.. These messages and authors make
up a small part of the New Testament. The New
Testament is "ALL PAUL" Peter was the
one who was supposed to be the "Rock"
upon which the church was to be founded. What do
we have? A book that is "All Paul."
Very little by Peter, the intended Rock of the
church. I have a real bone to pick with the
ancient ones who compiled the canon. Why did they
leave out Barnabus? He was a great writer and
follower of Jesus' true teachings. Barnabus had a
"falling out" with Paul and they went
different ways. I can understand why!
I repeat; The Lord showed me
that if you cannot accept and believe EVERYTHING
that a person teaches, then he was not an
appointed apostle by Jesus. Paul declared himself
an apostle, the other disciples did not
acknowledge him as an apostle. Luke was not one
of the 12 disciples but he made reference to Paul
being an apostle. It appears Paul was a
"friend" of the Romans and that is why
the Roman Emperor, Constantine elevated his
letters at the meeting in 325 AD which determined
which scriptures and books would be admitted into
the approved Christian doctrine, 300 years after
Jesus. This became the accepted doctrine
acknowledged by the Roman government.
Peter was hand picked by
Jesus and HE told Peter that HE would build HIS
church on Peter. However two-thirds of the New
Testament is Paul. Constantine and the early
Catholic Church Fathers (Council of Nicaea,
325AD) elevated Paul's letters to be equal or
more important than Jesus' teachings or anything
that Peter taught. Paul taught that the Roman
government and its members and employees were
placed there by God and the Christians should do
as the Roman government said. The Romans were
evil, immoral and hated Christians, yet Paul's
letters said to obey them. Roman Emperor,
Constantine must have really loved the part where
Paul instructs them to pay their taxes to Rome
IMPORTANT LESSON HERE:
Jesus said HE would build HIS church on Peter.
Yet, today's church is built on Paul. This is the
first clue that tells you that the popular,
organized church is not Jesus' Church because HE
promised that HIS church will be based on Peter.
The FEW of us who belong to the true church of
Jesus do not abide by their doctrines. We are
FEW. Those churches and groups who accept and
believe in the doctrines; "Once Saved Always
Saved" which is founded in Paul's abused
doctrine of GRACE is not Jesus' Church. "The
Pre Trib Rapture" which is founded in Paul's
letter to Thessalonians, is not Jesus' Church.
There is a "taking away" of HIS people
but not before The Great Tribulation.
"Tongues" or a gibberish that is not a
known language is not from the church of Jesus.
The "tongues" that Jesus sent was the
tongue that was understood by the listener in
their native language even though the speaker
spoke in his language... not the unintelligible
gibberish that the tongues advocates preach.
These doctrines are all based on Paul's letters.
Peter warned that Paul's letters were difficult
and would be twisted by devils, Jesus told you
but you missed it! Now I have reminded you, don't
miss it again. Study and pray!
I have other pages that deal
with those issues but this page deals with the
title of this page. "Do we go to heaven at
death." So, back to business.
There are those that have
died and gone to heaven and met Jesus than were
brought back to life. We call those "near
death experiences." My position on those
reports are simply this; I don't positively trust
them. The angel of light aka Lucifer may be
responsible. I said "MAYBE" I did not
Here's the problem with
believing those reports. Most of the people who
report these experiences were not "Born of
God" or as some might say,
"Saved," when they died and supposedly
went to heaven and were sent back to this realm
and life. That situation within itself makes the
bible a lie because a person who does not know
Jesus and has not accepted Jesus are not going to
heaven. Therefore, if these unsaved, worldly
people died and went to heaven then we might as
well ignore the bible.
Based on that paragraph I
just typed, I must say I don't believe the
"near death experiences are brought about by
God. Maybe "a god" like the god of this
world, Satan, the "angel of light,"
deceived them and then they come back and
convince others that we are ALL GOING TO HEAVEN.
That is what I have seen. I know one devil that
is purely rotten and of hell and he is convinced
that he is going to heaven because he knows a
woman who died and went to heaven and came back
and has convinced this devil that he will be in
heaven. We all will be. I happen to know that he
was actually trying to find the truth and how he
should live to make it to heaven but after this
report he has quit looking for the truth and has
returned to his filthy, rotten ways and his
filthy attitude because he is convinced he is
going to heaven.... regardless of anyway he
I do feel that our Spirit is
indestructible and must go somewhere when we die,
so I am led to believe that we do go to a safe
place of shelter, a place that the word
"Paradise" would be a good description.
Otherwise, our Spirits would be required to
wander around in the midst and among demons and
devils... such as ghosts. Yes, I have had
experience with those ungodly spirits and ghosts,
so I know about them. They are here in this
realm. Just because most people have no
experiences with them does not mean they are not
real. They are. Should I call them ghosts or
"familiar" spirits? I don't know but I
know that there are unseen spirits who make
things happen. BELIEVE ME! I have seen it! I have
lived in houses that had them. They have tried to
kill me. I report this on one of my pages.
Perhaps they are all demons and not the ghosts of
dead people. I do know the ones who tried to kill
me were demons that I think were conjured up by a
supposed, tongues speaking, Christian church.
My point is this: A
Christian's Spirit is not left here to endure or
see their loved ones sin. Nor are they left here
with the demons which are among us. I feel
confident the Spirit of God's children goes to
heaven or Paradise or some place other than here.
AGAIN, I say, don't worry
about that! Trust God to take proper care of you.